So our Mass goes back, without essential change, to the age when it first developed out of the oldest liturgy of all. It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Cæsar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our enquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours. ~Fortescue
Saturday, September 8, 2007
Concistory - 1946
Pope Pius XII creating new Cardinals in 1946. (Great stuff!)
This is just some positive critic: the way to call a Pope by his family name is a custom Italian journalists have always had, and quite an irreverent one, I might add.
I learned this the hard way, calling John Paul II "Papa Wojtyla" in front of a teacher of Social Doctrine of the Church in university. I almost get kicked out of that class ;).
Thanks for the correction, Miguel. I'll make the change to the more official title.
But I am almost certain that people also referred to him as Papa Pacelli. Of course, you would never address him like that in person, but when talking about them, it does not sound irreverent at all. It was done pretty frequently in the past...
I do know that Pius XII liked his last name very much because of its meaning: Pax caeli = Pacelli.
You could always just refer to them in Italian such as with everyone's favorite pope 'Pio nono'. I think Pius XII would be 'Pio dodicesimo' (accent on the 'e')
Well, I changed it... it actually makes it sound more official now.
M.J. - you're right! Pio IX is very popularly knonwn as Pio nono. And you are also right in that he is the favorite Pope of many people: He and Pio V (of course) along with Pio XII.
[We should get that watch that Ken (Hallowedground) had in which each hour (12) of the day was a picture of each Pius Pope].
Would any of you happen to know whethere Pius IX said (or did not say): "La tradizione sono io"? I heard that he had said it when someone asked him something about tradition and that was the reply... but I guess it would be very difficult to prove that!
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Dear Latinmass,
This is just some positive critic: the way to call a Pope by his family name is a custom Italian journalists have always had, and quite an irreverent one, I might add.
I learned this the hard way, calling John Paul II "Papa Wojtyla" in front of a teacher of Social Doctrine of the Church in university. I almost get kicked out of that class ;).
Conclusion: never trust an Italian journalist :p
Thanks for the correction, Miguel. I'll make the change to the more official title.
But I am almost certain that people also referred to him as Papa Pacelli. Of course, you would never address him like that in person, but when talking about them, it does not sound irreverent at all. It was done pretty frequently in the past...
I do know that Pius XII liked his last name very much because of its meaning: Pax caeli = Pacelli.
You could always just refer to them in Italian such as with everyone's favorite pope 'Pio nono'. I think Pius XII would be 'Pio dodicesimo' (accent on the 'e')
Haha, oh well if you put it that way there's no way to disagree ;)
Well, I changed it... it actually makes it sound more official now.
M.J. - you're right! Pio IX is very popularly knonwn as Pio nono. And you are also right in that he is the favorite Pope of many people: He and Pio V (of course) along with Pio XII.
[We should get that watch that Ken (Hallowedground) had in which each hour (12) of the day was a picture of each Pius Pope].
Would any of you happen to know whethere Pius IX said (or did not say): "La tradizione sono io"? I heard that he had said it when someone asked him something about tradition and that was the reply... but I guess it would be very difficult to prove that!
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